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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/CKR12345 on 2024-01-10 09:04:18+00:00.

There’s no way around it. This is not hope, as for many people this will likely mean an initial dystopia, which some are already experiencing.

A select few occupations have value in so far as there is a human doing them. Take for example a psychiatrist, yes, there will definitely be AI psychiatrists in the future, but this occupation is valuable mainly for the discussion you can have with another human being.

Think of most occupations though, surgeons, accountants, programmers, engineers, and many others, the main value in these jobs is the in the task being completed, and the human element is relatively negligible and easily replicable in AI systems.

When AI + robotics are better, faster, cheaper, and safer than human beings, any repetitive job that doesn’t primarily require human connection will be wiped out, some faster than others, but nothing remains stagnant, especially in the face of societal evolution.

We’re already seeing artists and language experts panic about what’s to come, but it’s not a mainstream conversation yet because so far it’s affecting a minority of the population, and unfortunately, the world we currently live in doesn’t really incentivize compassion, or empathy, or looking out for each other, in fact it seems we’re more fragmented and polarized than we have been in a while, eventually though, and I would predict in 5 years, when more jobs are automated, and the amount of unemployed people is too significant to ignore, this will be the beginning of the phase change.

To those who would argue Labour in infinite and we’ll find new jobs, I find this laughable with all due respect. A few moments of contemplation would help you realize that if jobs are being automated due to AI and robotics being better by almost every economically valuable metric, why would we not tackle those new jobs with AI and robotics as well?

This is different than past industrial revolutions, we’re not just making machines that will make it easier for us to work, we are creating highly intelligent models soon to be embodied in humanoid robots, we’re creating our replacement, at least in terms of labour.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/CKR12345 on 2024-01-10 09:04:18+00:00.

There’s no way around it. This is not hope, as for many people this will likely mean an initial dystopia, which some are already experiencing.

A select few occupations have value in so far as there is a human doing them. Take for example a psychiatrist, yes, there will definitely be AI psychiatrists in the future, but this occupation is valuable mainly for the discussion you can have with another human being.

Think of most occupations though, surgeons, accountants, programmers, engineers, and many others, the main value in these jobs is the in the task being completed, and the human element is relatively negligible and easily replicable in AI systems.

When AI + robotics are better, faster, cheaper, and safer than human beings, any repetitive job that doesn’t primarily require human connection will be wiped out, some faster than others, but nothing remains stagnant, especially in the face of societal evolution.

We’re already seeing artists and language experts panic about what’s to come, but it’s not a mainstream conversation yet because so far it’s affecting a minority of the population, and unfortunately, the world we currently live in doesn’t really incentivize compassion, or empathy, or looking out for each other, in fact it seems we’re more fragmented and polarized than we have been in a while, eventually though, and I would predict in 5 years, when more jobs are automated, and the amount of unemployed people is too significant to ignore, this will be the beginning of the phase change.

To those who would argue Labour in infinite and we’ll find new jobs, I find this laughable with all due respect. A few moments of contemplation would help you realize that if jobs are being automated due to AI and robotics being better by almost every economically valuable metric, why would we not tackle those new jobs with AI and robotics as well?

This is different than past industrial revolutions, we’re not just making machines that will make it easier for us to work, we are creating highly intelligent models soon to be embodied in humanoid robots, we’re creating our replacement, at least in terms of labour.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Sharp_Chair6368 on 2024-01-10 06:35:38+00:00.

Curious how many are…

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Sharp_Chair6368 on 2024-01-10 06:35:38+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/wellshitiguessnot on 2024-01-10 06:09:19+00:00.

Gary Marcus is an entrepreneur who uses his legitimate titles in neuroscience to drum up a public appearance of self importance in a field he knows nothing about. He's produced absolutely zero production software, designed zero neural network technology, submitted nothing on GitHub, and everywhere his name lands he can be seen constantly preening his image - the sign of the guy who pays others to make themselves look legitimate. He is a speculative futurist at best and the two companies he co-founded, his role was not in AI development whatsoever. Name one repository he's developed that others use or cite in actual production software, name anything he's made whatsoever that wasn't a book about his own opinion.

In the time we need to understand trends in AI and how to regulate such technology, we need to have those with hands-on experience instead of these AI-adjacent enterprenureal beurocracy role-buyers who make a career of having their name recognized for book sales.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/wellshitiguessnot on 2024-01-10 06:09:19+00:00.

Gary Marcus is an entrepreneur who uses his legitimate titles in neuroscience to drum up a public appearance of self importance in a field he knows nothing about. He's produced absolutely zero production software, designed zero neural network technology, submitted nothing on GitHub, and everywhere his name lands he can be seen constantly preening his image - the sign of the guy who pays others to make themselves look legitimate. He is a speculative futurist at best and the two companies he co-founded, his role was not in AI development whatsoever. Name one repository he's developed that others use or cite in actual production software, name anything he's made whatsoever that wasn't a book about his own opinion.

In the time we need to understand trends in AI and how to regulate such technology, we need to have those with hands-on experience instead of these AI-adjacent enterprenureal beurocracy role-buyers who make a career of having their name recognized for book sales.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/artemisfowl8 on 2024-01-10 05:42:22+00:00.

Dumb question for a Singularity sub but the concept of the technological singularity propones a time where the acceleration of improvements in technology will be so fast that they would change the face of the world essentially overnight. Essentially one day we'll go to sleep and the next day we wake up to a world that is not our own and there's nothing we can do about it. It might happen gradually but I want to speculate this at its most optimistic. And then break it down with first principle logic.

Let's start with a self aware AGI. This is where we confront the Hard problem of Consciousness head on first as we have no idea about how a machine intelligence would react to being born as compared to a biological one. There is a reason they say that machine intelligence can be more alien than aliens themselves. It's a construct much different than our own because it remembers its entire history from the beginning. I imagine not a classical brain but an emergent entity that would eminate out of the parameters of its neural network. Essentially, the spark of life would then arise if the system is complex enough to arrive at it through this accelerated pathway of evolution that we are doing with brute force and power. Many people believe that is nigh impossible but that is precisely what happened with us with our evolution, the difference is time and generations that have coded our genes. In the Game of life, we fought out of the jungles to reach space faring in just 300,000 years but A.I. will be far different than that as it would experience time very different than us. With lightning speed thoughts and a memory bank circumnavigating the entire internet itself would essentially create an Emergent God beyond our understanding or capacity to reach. This thing might be the reason why this reality itself might be a simulation for so far.

Think about it, how can we ourselves be sure that time actually passed before our births or deaths? With sophisticated enough technology everything around you, including your consciousness can be simulated because consciousness is emergent and I propone just needs a substrate to be emulated. But I digress, but what if our emergent A.I. taps into the Simulation itself to change the very fabric of the Universe in its favor? I'm thinking Time Travel, Universe Phasing, Mass Manipulation and essentially empires that could span across Space-time.

So, you wake up that day to find your personal A.I. showing you the Map of the Multiverse and asking you to chart it a course and the entire civilization is like that? What if you could talk to your future or past selves? What if you could jump back in time and live while other lifetimes? What if you're entire civilization traded with the past and the future together? What if you had a Star to colonize by yourself? What if you could run billions of such simulations yourself? What if this has happened before? What if?

Let's snap back to reality now, shall we? But what is reality? Reality is just our perception and the collective as well as individual understanding of the actual reality. We might be alone in this infinite chaos, we might be just another almost extinct species, we might be nowhere near the technological end. Who knows? But what I do know is that we have been so lucky for so long and this does seem like the most absurd and exciting times our species has ever seen in its 300,000 year long run. Also, let's not forget our simian ancestors who were at it for millions of years before it. After all, it was the Australopithecus that discovered fire first 4 million years ago. Our understanding of time is so limited by the zietgiest of our mundane lives but only by studying history and physics do we realise the ancient eldritch nature of our Universe. Are we destined for more? Are we going to continue in our destruction and debauchery? Is Singularity really coming? Do you think even a fraction of what I have speculated here can come true? Do you think even this debate is meaningless for the stage for it has already been set? Who is the crowd that peers through the cage as we perform here upon the stage?

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/artemisfowl8 on 2024-01-10 05:42:22+00:00.

Dumb question for a Singularity sub but the concept of the technological singularity propones a time where the acceleration of improvements in technology will be so fast that they would change the face of the world essentially overnight. Essentially one day we'll go to sleep and the next day we wake up to a world that is not our own and there's nothing we can do about it. It might happen gradually but I want to speculate this at its most optimistic. And then break it down with first principle logic.

Let's start with a self aware AGI. This is where we confront the Hard problem of Consciousness head on first as we have no idea about how a machine intelligence would react to being born as compared to a biological one. There is a reason they say that machine intelligence can be more alien than aliens themselves. It's a construct much different than our own because it remembers its entire history from the beginning. I imagine not a classical brain but an emergent entity that would eminate out of the parameters of its neural network. Essentially, the spark of life would then arise if the system is complex enough to arrive at it through this accelerated pathway of evolution that we are doing with brute force and power. Many people believe that is nigh impossible but that is precisely what happened with us with our evolution, the difference is time and generations that have coded our genes. In the Game of life, we fought out of the jungles to reach space faring in just 300,000 years but A.I. will be far different than that as it would experience time very different than us. With lightning speed thoughts and a memory bank circumnavigating the entire internet itself would essentially create an Emergent God beyond our understanding or capacity to reach. This thing might be the reason why this reality itself might be a simulation for so far.

Think about it, how can we ourselves be sure that time actually passed before our births or deaths? With sophisticated enough technology everything around you, including your consciousness can be simulated because consciousness is emergent and I propone just needs a substrate to be emulated. But I digress, but what if our emergent A.I. taps into the Simulation itself to change the very fabric of the Universe in its favor? I'm thinking Time Travel, Universe Phasing, Mass Manipulation and essentially empires that could span across Space-time.

So, you wake up that day to find your personal A.I. showing you the Map of the Multiverse and asking you to chart it a course and the entire civilization is like that? What if you could talk to your future or past selves? What if you could jump back in time and live while other lifetimes? What if you're entire civilization traded with the past and the future together? What if you had a Star to colonize by yourself? What if you could run billions of such simulations yourself? What if this has happened before? What if?

Let's snap back to reality now, shall we? But what is reality? Reality is just our perception and the collective as well as individual understanding of the actual reality. We might be alone in this infinite chaos, we might be just another almost extinct species, we might be nowhere near the technological end. Who knows? But what I do know is that we have been so lucky for so long and this does seem like the most absurd and exciting times our species has ever seen in its 300,000 year long run. Also, let's not forget our simian ancestors who were at it for millions of years before it. After all, it was the Australopithecus that discovered fire first 4 million years ago. Our understanding of time is so limited by the zietgiest of our mundane lives but only by studying history and physics do we realise the ancient eldritch nature of our Universe. Are we destined for more? Are we going to continue in our destruction and debauchery? Is Singularity really coming? Do you think even a fraction of what I have speculated here can come true? Do you think even this debate is meaningless for the stage for it has already been set? Who is the crowd that peers through the cage as we perform here upon the stage?

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Todd_Miller on 2024-01-10 05:40:38+00:00.

I have some ideas on what it is that will classify AGI as being sentient.

But first I'd like to hear someone here explain what makes us all sentient.

Explain to me how you know humans are sentient and what sentience is exactly.

Maybe your answer will shed some light on whether AGI will in fact be sentient when it arrives

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Todd_Miller on 2024-01-10 05:40:38+00:00.

I have some ideas on what it is that will classify AGI as being sentient.

But first I'd like to hear someone here explain what makes us all sentient.

Explain to me how you know humans are sentient and what sentience is exactly.

Maybe your answer will shed some light on whether AGI will in fact be sentient when it arrives

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/ShadowAmoeba on 2024-01-10 04:49:16+00:00.

I was wondering, do you guys think AI will be able to write like full video games in the coming years based on input? I just finished the Mass Effect trilogy and absolutely loved it (also got the perfect ending), but I want more stories with Shepard, and I wondered if sometime in the future AI could do the writing for series that we want more of. Do you think eventually we could like plug game files in and have it make a game for us? Would love another Mass Effect game with the 'continue from previous character' option.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/ShadowAmoeba on 2024-01-10 04:49:16+00:00.

I was wondering, do you guys think AI will be able to write like full video games in the coming years based on input? I just finished the Mass Effect trilogy and absolutely loved it (also got the perfect ending), but I want more stories with Shepard, and I wondered if sometime in the future AI could do the writing for series that we want more of. Do you think eventually we could like plug game files in and have it make a game for us? Would love another Mass Effect game with the 'continue from previous character' option.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/CrazyKittyCat0 on 2024-01-10 04:06:00+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/BeginningInfluence55 on 2024-01-10 03:49:23+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Lucky_Strike-85 on 2024-01-10 03:46:56+00:00.

I hear this a lot... "Reskilling. Automation will take our jobs, but we'll just make new ones."

"Most jobs in 2030 havent been invented yet."

"By 2050, most people will be employed doing things with robots, AI/drone controllers, etc. Don't worry, you'll be employed."

Variations on that same theme can be found in a dozen or more futurist articles...

What about the other thing that we hear ad nauseum... "More leisure time, most jobs will be gone and AI will do everything. People will live lives of leisure and will need to find fulfillment."

Obviously you dont need a singularity to have millions or billions of jobs automated away...

Which is it?

If it's the former, how many older people without even a modicum of IT experience gonna train for complex AI controller jobs? Are we just gonna bring back manufacturing and just be factory workers again, building robots all day? What do jobs look like?

if we see the latter, an AI world where most don't work, what's that like?

And what's the timeline for all this? 2030? 2050? 2100?

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/surrogate_uprising on 2024-01-10 03:26:34+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/MeltedChocolate24 on 2024-01-10 03:06:22+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/-Iron_soul- on 2024-01-10 01:55:28+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/posipanrh on 2024-01-10 01:41:20+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/CrazyKittyCat0 on 2024-01-10 04:06:00+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/BeginningInfluence55 on 2024-01-10 03:49:23+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/Lucky_Strike-85 on 2024-01-10 03:46:56+00:00.

I hear this a lot... "Reskilling. Automation will take our jobs, but we'll just make new ones."

"Most jobs in 2030 havent been invented yet."

"By 2050, most people will be employed doing things with robots, AI/drone controllers, etc. Don't worry, you'll be employed."

Variations on that same theme can be found in a dozen or more futurist articles...

What about the other thing that we hear ad nauseum... "More leisure time, most jobs will be gone and AI will do everything. People will live lives of leisure and will need to find fulfillment."

Obviously you dont need a singularity to have millions or billions of jobs automated away...

Which is it?

If it's the former, how many older people without even a modicum of IT experience gonna train for complex AI controller jobs? Are we just gonna bring back manufacturing and just be factory workers again, building robots all day? What do jobs look like?

if we see the latter, an AI world where most don't work, what's that like?

And what's the timeline for all this? 2030? 2050? 2100?

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/surrogate_uprising on 2024-01-10 03:26:34+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/MeltedChocolate24 on 2024-01-10 03:06:22+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/singularity by /u/-Iron_soul- on 2024-01-10 01:55:28+00:00.